drench resistant worms in goats

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drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:00 pm

Hi, I am having an issue with one particular type of worm, dont know its name, it is white and in the faeces, I recently brought a little male saanen and when he came home he had worms althoguh the breeder i got him off has wormed her herd. I proceeded to drench him but they came back 2 weeks later so drenched again, same thing 2 weeks later so did him with different drench, and yep they came back. i ave also been drenching my nanny at the same time, lot of milk tossed. I have recently spoken to my back neighbour who has goats from same breeder and they almost lost their girl to worms and i think they are still having issues, their goat paddock runs off into our paddocks. I now have a bit of an issue with my sheep, so i am worming them. MY question is could this bloodline have developed worms that are resistant to drenches on the market or is it this bloody weather we are getting in nsw(rain hot rain hot) that is causing the problem and how do i fix it any help appreciated


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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby dggoatlover » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:06 am

Hi Keeza

If you are seeing white segments in the poo I would suggest that this is most likely tapeworm. The majority of general worm drenches on the market don't cover tapeworm - you will need to treat separately with a drench that contains praziquantel. A lot of horse wormers can contain this. Or the best tip I have ever received - if buying treament like that is too expensive because you only have a couple of goats - dog wormers tablets work just as well - especially great for kids as you can just crush it up and add it to their milk - go by the weight dose indicated on the packet.

What type of drench are you using for general worm control on your goats? If you have run off going into your paddocks from your neighbours this is how your animals could be being infected. Talk with them again and sort out a treatment plan that you both follow and treat all your animals at the same time. If you have other livestock in with the goats they will need to be treated as well. If you don't work together you'll just keep re-infecting each other :(

You may find that the goats that have tape are already struggling health wise so will therefore sucumb easier to a different worm burden or other health issues.

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby minnie » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:26 am

Hi Kerry,

It could also be worth taking a sample to the vet and ask for it to be checked?

Vicki

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:54 pm

the drenches I use do tapeworm, one is panacur 25 and the other one i dont know the name of brother in law got it for us. I only use panacur on nanny but fortunately she seems to have a strong resistance to the tapeworm although i do her at the same time as the little boy, but i think they are getting reinfected. I dont know the neighbours well but if i see them out i will go up and have a chat. My goats arent suffering any ill health fortunately, but i think that is because as soon as i see any sign i medicate them, they are actually disgustingly well and getting into as much mischeif as they can, luckily it is harmless mischief. They love following me when i am feeding the other animals and i wheel a big barrow around full of fresh fruit and veg, i am lucky to have given to me from local fruit shop, and stealing tasty tidbits and running off all excited, true ratbags the pair of them. I have thought of taking a sample to local vet but really dont think she is up on livestock she tends to do domestic, cats and dogs. The real worry is that we now have to worm the sheep more, lost one the other day because husband didnt listen to me," said no they will be right you only have to worm sheep 3 monthly", ratbag, and there is no way on this earth i am going near killer ram he hates me. good luck hubby with that one :lol: thanks for the help

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby dggoatlover » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:07 am

Kerry - Most people find that Panacur for goats is almost next to useless. It is one of the oldest drenches onn the market and there is a very high resistance for worms. Every breeder I know refuses to use the stuff. Maybe look into using a newer product or a combo style drench.

Maybe you could try Worm Count for poo samples - its about $30 for a kit and you post it off and get a worm count report emailed back to you. Great if you have a small herd - http://www.wormcount.com.au/services.htm - especially if your vet is not large animal friendly.

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:26 pm

thanks dg, panucur is the only one any of our produce stores have around here that we can use on milking goats I have tried all the produce stores for about 50km around they look at me like i am mad sometimes when i explain i need it for dairy goats, not a lot of people around here have them to milk so not a big market, my produce store that sold me the panucur said they had been told it was a new type of panacur than the old one, i have no idea.Luckily it is working fine on my girl, the real problem was with my boy but I think i have fixed him for the moment, used the drench the brother in law gave me, he comes from goulburn but he cant remember the name of the stuff but it isnt suitable for any milkers and has a very long withholding period for eating, I ended up giving him a rather large dose and thankfully he hasnt had any sign of worms for 3weeks using the other i saw them after a week. I think i will call into the girl i got him from and ask her if she is using panacur too, I know she also feeds them a bit of wormwood, if she is i will pass this info onto her and if the neighbour is still having a prob i will drench her goats for her, i can use the stronger one on them as she doesnt milk them. Could you please give me the name of some drenches that are ok for milkers and i will speak to the produce guy, he will get it in for me if he can get a hold of it and of course i will pass the word to the other locals i know to get theirs from him.thanks again, i am new to this and i really want to do the bestg i can and there is only so much i can find on general internet, the help i have gotten from here is invaluble :D

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby minnie » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:52 am

Kerry find out more about the strong drench!

I know we had a woman on this forum that had her cattle drenched for 'Qld cattle tick' and the withholding for milking cows was the life of the animal. Who would have even considered something like that, I didn't until her. :o

The person she bought off considering them beef cattle that from memory only had a withholding of 40 something days but she was milking and giving to her little children, it was a real eye opener when we read up on that drench. Read everything and if anyone gives you something get the name, and google it.

We were using anipro (cattle supplement) last winter/spring and they're changed that by adding a new additive that is falvo (or something similar they call it), it's good for your cattle and they grow quickly blah blah... I read up and it's antibiotic, but nowhere do they call it that, it's off our list for the future now.

If you intend to milk or eat livestock always look thoroughly into what you put in them, because ultimately it goes into you.

Vicki

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:37 pm

Hi Vicki, I made sure I didnt give gerty(my milking Nanny) any of the strong drench only gave her Panacur 25 and I researched it before I gave her any, luckily it is doing the trick with her, checked it out even though it claimed it was ok on packet, it has a 24hr withbholding period for milking and 14day for meat. It was ok giving the stronger one to the boy and it is certified by abbatiors with a 14day meat withholding period. I am very careful about drenches as there isnt a lot approved for goats, took me awhile to even find panacur thats why i am hoping to get a few names of other drenches approved through this forum. I really feel sorry for your friend a lot of people who sell stuff these days dont really know the side effects, thats why i check and double check. thanks for you help

kerry

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby minnie » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:44 am

Hi Kerry,

Yes you can't go wrong checking and rechecking that's for sure.

:D
Vicki

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:36 am

love the internet beats the library hands down :D

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby dggoatlover » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:36 am

I know where you are coming from! I live in Central Qld - the apparent beef captial of Australia. Most people around here look stunned when you mention the word goat. I am the local 'mad goat lady'! I always get the crazy questions - what on earth do you want them for - all goats are trouble - they'll eat the washing off your line etc etc. :roll:

Sometimes it is also a good idea to ring the company on the label to check if a drench is okay to use. There aren't a lot of on-label drenches to use with goats as the goat industry doesn't have the cash flow through it like it does with cattle, sheep etc. Companies often won't officially test their drenches on goats as there is no money in it for them - even though the drench is okay to use. Quite often you can find a drench that states can be used on goats, but when you read the fine print it states that it shouldn't be used on lactating animals only meat.

Quite often breeders can use off-label drench with vet approval (I do) as many of the current approved drenches for goast just aren't effective anymore due to worm resistance. Drench roation is another good thing to try so you can get longer use of drenches before any resistance develops. The last drench that was approved for use in goats (including dairy) was Caprimec - it has a four day with-holding for milk. We also have this issue with our alpacas - there is currently no drench in Australia that is approved for use. I also use a couple of other drenches that my vet has approved that are mostly aimed at dairy cattle.

Very tricky issue! This is why I have faecal teasting done so I'm only drenching as necessary so I can slow down resistance build-up. And I also rotate my paddocks (although this isn't possible for everyone!). But I think the $30 for a worm test is a small price to pay when I look at the cost of a bottle of drench. If you only have a couple of goats some of the places will offer a small fee for an individual test. :D And finding a good vet is crucial.

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:22 pm

luckily i only have 2 goats at the moment so it hasnt been hard to get on top of problem, think i have it beat now. I can go one better than mad goat lady, my exdaughter in law has taken our little xferal girl home , she has a very lge yard, and she and the grandkids love her, they love so much they take her for walks to the local park on a lead every day so she doesnt get bored and she gets a treat. At first the neighbours were gobsmacked but now they are quite used to it. I think she qualifies for slightly crazy, oh well at least the little thing is being well cared for.
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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby dggoatlover » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:02 pm

Aw that sounds so cute! And she is very lucky to have found such a loving home :D

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:44 pm

yes it is really cute and the goat is an absolutely gorgeous little thing she has thrown cashmere and is quite small so like walking a little bundle of clouds

kerry

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby minnie » Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:51 am

What a lucky little goat... :D

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:55 am

Note on lucky little goat, she even gets a bath and apparently she loves it. I am so glad I gave her to my ex daughter in law it has been good for the goat and daughter in law :D

kerry

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby dggoatlover » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:26 pm

Spoilt much! Mine don't really like thier bath - but they love getting towel dried and having a big brush over afterwards. Its only a once a year treat though when getting ready for show season.

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby Heidi » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:09 pm

Hi,
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but would second the comment that Panacur is useless, particularly for Barber's Pole Worm (not saying that's what the worms your goat has).

What about this...not sure if its for lactating goats or not
http://www.farmservices.com.au/home.php?cat=78&page=1

H

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Re: drench resistant worms in goats

Postby keezawitch » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:30 am

Hi Heidi, We have gotten the problem under control, it seems likely it was tape worm, the panucur worked fine on my nanny but not for buck so used a strong dose of another drench we have for the sheep, I drenched them fortnightly for about 2mths and finally gave the boy a bit of an overdose :roll: but it worked and havent had a problem since. thanks for the link I will check it out.

kerry


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