Solar Power

Some say 'Green' or 'Sustainable' or 'Self Sufficient' how we try to ensure we live to put a smaller footprint on our earth.
Hayhay
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Re: Solar Power

Postby Hayhay » Wed May 06, 2009 7:12 pm

Wow I;m guessing its very different in NSW and QLD - down here in vic solar power is SUPER taking off. There's even a company offering to install for free.

We're going with a company that we will end up paying only $1250, plus inspection and meter. So all up will be WAY less than 2 grand. This is 4 a 1kw system

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Thu May 07, 2009 8:46 am

Lucky You,

Most things usually are cheaper over East as opposed to here in the West, know doubt comes of having a greater population over there. Although this is what have always thought, I just realised that your less then 2 grand for a 1KW unit would equate to less than 4 for a 2 KW one which is what I am paying for my 2 KW ($3.400). I applied during the solar scheme which ended in mid March while my friend applied for the solar scheme which ends on 30 June and it is a dearer cost with increases than mine was.

Good luck with your solar power, definately the only way to go in "my humble opinion" these days with electriticy on the rise.


Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby Hayhay » Sat May 09, 2009 5:05 pm

Oh wow - less than 4 grand for a 2 kw system? That's fantastic! Doesn't seem that cheap for 2ke systems here - the 1kw's have all the 'special prices'

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Sat May 09, 2009 5:41 pm

Umn, maybe I am not so bad off after all ;)

Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby LeLoup » Mon May 10, 2010 12:16 pm

I am not so sure that solar power saves one any money over being on the grid, as I have not been on the grid for over 40 years. But it does make one more independant and self-reliant and that for me is worth it.
“I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.” Henry David Thoreau.

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Mon May 10, 2010 3:46 pm

Well I would have to agree with you LeLoup. I was recently talking to the energy company and they told me that the 2Kw system we have only saves us $6 each billing period which in the grand scale of things isn't much at all. Haven't told hubby yet that we paid out all this money to help us decrease our bills and help the environment only to have it all taken away in one form or another. The government is going to deduct money you have been paid from ones pension claiming the money you are paid for your power is income, so a loss there and on top of that we paid for a system that really isn't saving anything much at all.

I have often thought that I should give up the telly, turn off the power and go back to kerosene lamps/candles and reading.
Hubby told me not long ago he would be quite happy to go back to horse and cart though I don't know if he was joking or not on that count?

Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby minnie » Mon May 10, 2010 3:59 pm

I believe every little bit counts and if enough were feeding a little to the grid, less coal would need to be ripped from the earth.

We're thinking we may do the feed the grid (depending on money) with the new house and if it reduces our bill a little I'd be happy, we'd most likely not generate enough to be paid anything, but just to reduce a little of our bill would be good.

Some people have installed quite a lot of panels to make money and I guess if it's generating income the tax man finds out... always seems the case that's for sure. I really don't think the average person with a small grid interactive system will make enough to have it taxed, mind you I could be very wrong, just basing this on total opinion and the little I've read. ;) So don't quote me. ;)
Vicki

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Tue May 11, 2010 9:37 am

Well to a point I agree with you Vicki.

We wanted to help ourselves by reducing our energy costs and at the same time thought we would be helping the environment.
Many people have put solar grid connect units on to their homes/properties which I thought was great.
For ourselves I am not too fussed about the payment because the more important aspect for us was reducing our energy bill.
I am just annoyed that the little bit I am doing to supposedly help us, isn't going to help us much at all in fact will work against us. Thank goodness we only have a small unit (at the moment it is only 6 panels although we had planned to add more panels at a later date) and these, including the additions later on will not provide enough power to meet all our needs anyway.

Sometimes I actually feel it doesn't pay to help yourselves or try to.

Reminds me of a photo I saw, it was of a man wearing a t-shirt. On the front it said -
"I don't lie, cheat or steal" on the back it said "The government doesn't like competition" how true!

Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby minnie » Wed May 12, 2010 7:47 am

Kathleen I want one of those Tshirts, isn't that the case!!

I don't know, I think at the end of the day for each small unit and the tiny bit it helps our bills ultimately together it will overall help more than we feel now. I wonder why the government is trying to turn people off getting them?? Maybe it will help more than we realise??

Me being cynical and paranoid again. ;)

Vicki

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Wed May 12, 2010 9:26 am

Oh Vicki, being a somewhat cynical person myself, I would say that yes I think going solar would help the environment quite a lot. (it just isn't going to help me personally, that much). I have always believed everyone should be using solar power just as I believe everyone should have a rainwater tank (and I don't mean those piddly little things they are advocating for beside a suburban house) if they have a house. It all helps. But I also believe, doing or having this isn't accepted as a real option, after all it would affect "Big Business" and in turn the government as they would very likely have reduced income/revenue as a result.
Everything in this world comes down to money. The environment, well what can I say other than, it's little more than a casualty of the green eyed monster. I also agree with LeLoup, about the world and a large natural disaster up to a point. I can see a huge natural disaster on the horizon for the world. Just look at how the weather patterns have changed, how many earthquakes are occurring and so on. Something is happening and so it is only a matter of time, just look at history as it repeats.

Sorry for getting on my soap box but sometimes I just can't help it. Shall hop off now and behave myself. :oops:

Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby minnie » Wed May 12, 2010 9:56 am

Hi Kathleen,

Yes big business don't want anything to succeed for the good of the people or earth, greed does rule in our day and age sadly. :cry:

And like you and Le Loup a disaster bigger than ever seems in the offing... I keep thinking with taking so much out of our earth has to effecting it, you can't just keep taking and not expect things to happen. But instead of looking at the things that make corps money they blame animals eg. cows farting, not feed lots feeding grain!

I can't remember a time when there were so many natural disasters in the world.

And yes agree we want to think when we get things that are good for the planet that we get some benefit, I hope so... and I still want to install a small solar grid interactive system and hope my bill goes down a little and it helps a little too. So I'm agreeing. ;)
Vicki

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Re: Solar Power

Postby childoftheearth » Thu May 13, 2010 10:42 am

Hi Kathleen,

With regard to the proposal to tax the income from electricity fed into the grid:

First, it stinks! I think it is just miserly penny-pinching on the part of the Government.

Second, if it does happen I think you should ask your accountant to claim depreciation of your solar system as a tax deduction, since it is obviously regarded by the tax office as equipment used for earning income.

Since depreciation of a several-thousand dollar system should well exceed any meager income, this could scuttle the proposal if everyone did it.

Cheers
Elaine

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Mojojo » Thu May 13, 2010 11:16 am

Hear hear Elaine!
If you are deriving income from it then the cost of the installation needs to be able to be offset.

I am all for it on the same basis as most others - the solar energy is there, and we should use it rather than fossil fuel where possible.
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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Sat May 15, 2010 9:25 am

Elaine, I never thought of this but now I shall as I think that is a great idea. I hope everyone in this situation does this.

Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby Heidi » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:30 pm

Hi All,
DH and I are now seriously considering installing a solar system, so I have been reading the above with much interest. Kathleen, you're experience in particular was "disturbing"! Is it really true that it's only making about $6 difference per billing cycle? The cheapest 1.5kw, costing $3690, that I am considering at the moment should generate approximately $1300pa. Whilst not covering out total energy bill pa, it will go a long way in helping out. The most expensive (which DH is considering ha ha) costs $8390, 2kw, and should generate about $1713pa. The 10% upfront, then monthly, interest free instalments over 24 months. Technically, even the more expensive is doable, but I am loathe to go into debt for anything these days, now that we are mortgage free :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Its a two edged sword actually, before when we had a large debt, these amounts "just went on the mortgage" that would be paid off "some day". Now, I think to myself... do I really want such and such that badly that I would want to owe "which bank" :evil: any money ever again?
Unfortunately, we were unaware of "the Green Loan" until it was too late, so this interest free option through the Energy Company (who also install them) may be our most realistic option.

Any other thoughts??? I'm making a list of questions I need to get answered and these include:

1. what is the extra cost of upgradable components?
2. can I switch from gross feed in to net feed in, after the 7 year/60 cent guarantee expires?
3. can I opt to be paid the money, instead of it just being credited to our energy account?

Okay,
Bye for now,
H.

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Shadowgirlau » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:48 am

Heidi, It is really difficult for me to answer your questions as each state has different legislation different payment options etc.
For us over here in the west (well from our own experiences) yes you can have the money paid to you in cheque/cash form or have it credited to your electricity account. Since the above discussions I have been told that if pensioners have theirs creditied to their electicity accounts then they will not be hit with an extra asset test but if they receive the payment as a cash amount then it will be classed as income and affect their pension payments (possibly).
Am not sure how much it costs to upgrade, maybe ask your provider this? We had the largest unit we could at the time put on and can add another another 2 panels to our current 6 (we can add more but dont have the roof space). We were told that we can change this unit over to the house and add more panels up to 14 for the unit size. It will cost us $500+ if we do it now but under the govt scheme we can not move the unit or the panels for 5 yrs, why I really don't understand as it is the same property. Eventaully we will get another unit of the same size and put it on the house with the maximum panels which is 14. The two units together should then cover all of our power over summer and a good portion of it over winter. Will take time for us to do though as I really don't want to go down the debt route again and like you no longer having a mortgage I tend to think about whether or not I really need it when it comes to getting back in debt.

I hope someone from over on the east coast is able to answer your questions more satisfactorily.

Cheers
Kathleen
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Re: Solar Power

Postby minnie » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:22 am

Hi Heidi,

Well aren't we on the same journey... we're also looking to do a grid interactive and DH who is good at digging all the info up, has been looking into a few things.

Three of the women at Summerland Credit Union have the 1.5 - 2.0 systems and the one who got the best deal with not just money used Solar Daily www.solardaily.com.au.

We're looking at going for 10kw, which by all accounts gives a much better return than a first mortgage investment... what DH found out was to get the max return you need the panels facing 'exactly' north and deviation will give you less power and then less monetary return. With the 10kw we're hoping for a return of approx $200 per week, which they send out quarterly. We need to find out a lot more though before jumping in, but for the next 6 years NSW has a good incentive to go bigger that's for sure. After this time, who knows what will happen??

We asked about the Credit Union green load and if they took into account the system would make money and therefore be counted as income but they don't count it until you have figures for some time showing it makes money which is a real pain. It would have been good to borrow and then it just paid itself off.
:D
Vicki

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Heidi » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:58 am

I'm pretty sure CVC used the Nymboida company for one of their 5KW systems. I'll give the company a ring and find out more. I've also got to ring up the ATO to find out if its taxable income or not, which would be very disappointing if it was.
H

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Re: Solar Power

Postby Glyn » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:47 am

Well now isn't this strange - (...cue spooky music...do, da,do, do... do, da, doo doo!!! ) I just spent yesterday dancing in the rain and willing it over to Kathleen,then plowing through the web pages for hours looking for the answers to the in grid puzzle. Heidi and Vicki appear to be ahead of us on this so maybe I should just fling you a tow rope and then sit back and cruse along in your wake!
We had thought of a 1.5, knowing it wont cover our usage, but my ears have pricked up now with the concept of going bigger and making a bit out of it - so where do I look for these "NSW incentives to go bigger?"

The whole thing started when a friend said "You need to get your application in pronto before Keneally is forced to close the door" - any thoughts on that and who does one put the application in with anyway? Around here who should I be talking to for advice Vicki?
Glyn

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Re: Solar Power

Postby minnie » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:14 pm

Hi Glyn,

It must be this rain effecting you, me and Heidi... all on the same track.

Well I'll talk to DH, he's the one who's taken it to the bigger concept and he did speak to the Solarhart fellow the other day, but will call the Solar Daily man as soon as he can...

We're not concerned about it as taxable income, what isn't these days but we should be able to depreciate the equipment (but will check with the accountant). It doesn't matter what little bit you make the ATO always turns up. :roll:
:lol:
Vicki


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